What does a second chance look like in practice?
Employment is the easy one. This isn't just about giving people a chance because they deserve it or because it's the right thing to do. When someone gets out of prison and wants to follow the right path and wants to work a job and be able to support their family, they need an opportunity to do that. The more we open these doors, the more everyone benefits.
Why did you get on social media after leaving prison, and how do you think your story resonated?
It was an accident. A friend who was in marketing said, “Jesse, I really think people would be interested in your story. You need to start posting on social media.” I didn't even really know what that meant. I had to download TikTok on the way to make my first video. I had to figure out how to use the smartphone. That night, I called the woman who had recommended that I make something. She said, “Jesse, most people don't get 10,000 views on their first video with no subscribers or no followers. You have a compelling story.”
I kept making videos and I kept answering questions. I really enjoyed it. In a world that's very plastic, I could bleed openly to the world. I think that drew people in because everybody wants to be vulnerable, everybody wants to be honest, but we feel a lot of pressure to not be.
Is there any one story about your impact that stands out to you?
We live in a sensational culture. We want to hear the story of the kid who came from nothing who was the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. We don't want to hear the kind of normal success stories of all the kids that I've worked with at the juvenile center. I remember it was 9:00 on an evening night and my girlfriend at the time asked me to go buy a bottle of wine. I go to the grocery store and there bagging groceries is the kid I used to see every month at the juvenile center. He was laughing and he had a smile on his face. I looked at him and he looked at me, and we just kind of nodded. That was it. He's not the CEO of a company, but he's free. For me, success is not changing the world. It's just one person getting a chance and living and going home to their family and being a part of their community.
Do you believe everyone deserves a second chance?
A second chance is earned. I don't think it's given, but everyone should have the opportunity to work towards that. What that means is addressing and doing the work to repair the harm that's been done. Redemption is not sitting around feeling bad for what I've done. Redemption is getting up every day and doing something good in the world, contributing where I've previously taken or helping where I previously hurt.
How do you deal with criticism from people who don't believe crime should be forgiven?
When someone says that, what they're saying is that they don't deserve to be forgiven for the worst thing they've done either. That's a terrible place to be. These are people living in hell of their own creation. I don't want anyone to live like that.
It was important for you to give incarcerated people free access to your book. What's been the response to that?
It's been pretty amazing. With tablets and for pay or for-profit emails, I get contacted from all over the country—not to mention illegal cell phones. The people on the outside who read this book are really the ones who surprise me. What I've come to realize is that there are people who have never had handcuffs on their wrist, who are living in these prisons of their minds or their hearts. Those are all the more insidious because it's not so easy to recognize that you can get out of that. We're all trapped, and we don't even realize it. But at the same time, it gives me hope because if we're all in this experience together, that means we can all help ourselves get out of this together.
What would you tell your 18-year-old self?
I would give myself a big hug—and I'm sure I'd resist or push back—but I would hold as tight as I possibly can. And I would say, “Just stop. Slow down.” If I could have just stopped, I could have skipped a lot of the suffering and a lot of the harm that I caused. I'm just grateful. I couldn't have imagined being here. My whole life, that's all I really wanted to believe: You are enough. And for the first time in my life, I do believe it. If I'd gotten here earlier, I could have saved myself a lot of heartache. Sometimes it's hard, but if we just keep going, we will get where we need to go.
So, what is the best part of prison?
I was on a path that I was either going to kill myself or kill someone else if I hadn't changed. The best part of prison wasn't the place or the programs, it was the fact that it was the only thing that was able to make me stop. And by stopping, I was able to be present and accountable and face the things that I've been running from. Once I did that, it led me to a world that I never could have imagined.